bialko z vextargo po treningu?

czy moge stosowac bialko matrixa 5.0 z vextargo zaraz po treningu?

tak

nie, lepiej bialko wypij pol godziny pozniej
pzdr

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lepiej razem niz osobno. badania jasnodowodza, ze z punktu widzenia przydatnosci
w sportach silowych (hamowania katabolizmu, promowania anabolizmu), zdecydowanie lepiej sie sprawdza mix wegli i bialek niz same bialka lub same weglowodany...


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Mysle ze slowa takiego guru jak Christian Thibaudeau rozwiaza sprawe (lub nie)

"I pretty much answered that one about a zillion times in the past. Regarding vitargo/waxy maize. It works because of its mega high molecular weight which makes to go ''right through'' the digestive system (gross oversimplification) which makes it absorbed around 60-70% faster than any other carb. So in theory (and in practice if it is used alone) it does what it claims to do: leaves the stomach and fill up muscle glycogen faster than any other type of carb.

The problem arises when it is mixed in with other ingredients since these other ingredients will lower the ''average'' molecular weight of the mix. So when you add protein (even if it is whey hydrolysate), BCAA, creatine, glutamine and other things like that, you slow down the absorption rate of the mixture, thus negating the exclusive benefits of waxy maize.

When WM accounts for 60% or less of the total mix (e.g. 50g of waxy maize with around 35g of whey protein) then the advantages as far as speed of absorption would pretty much be non significant and certainly not worth the added cost. It doesn't mean that WM would be worthless, just that it wouldn't be any better than another type of fast-absorbed carb.

pzdr

o waxy maize, to be maximally effective needs to be ingested alone or with a very small amount of other substances. So it can be used DURING a high volume workout (I wouldn't bother with it if your training volume is low or average) with a small amount of BCAA (20g) or nothing at all.

Post-workout I prefer SURGE, although one could potentially use two shakes:

Waxy maize at around 50g + a small amount of whey (15-20g) to initiate glycogen stores recovery and protein synthesis and a second shake of around 25g of carbs abd 50-75g of whey 30-45 minutes after the first shake. But for the minimal added benefit that it may provides I do not feel like it's worth the hassle.

Post-workout I prefer SURGE, although one could potentially use two shakes:

Waxy maize at around 50g + a small amount of whey (15-20g) to initiate glycogen stores recovery and protein synthesis and a second shake of around 25g of carbs abd 50-75g of whey 30-45 minutes after the first shake. But for the minimal added benefit that it may provides I do not feel like it's worth the hassle.

to cos niezdecydowany jest
najpierw ze generalnie to WM samo i solo....
ale po treningu - skoro nie surge, to dwa shake'i...gdize oba to mix WM i bialka

też dobrze.


generalnie zasada jest taka: po treningu kluczowe są: odp insulinowa i dostepność aminokwasów, wg licznych badań (np: "Combined ingestion of protein and free leucine with carbohydrate increases postexercise muscle protein synthesis in vivo in male subjects. Koopman R, Wagenmakers AJ, Manders RJ, Zorenc AH, Senden JM, Gorselink M, Keizer HA, van Loon LJ. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Apr;288(4):E645-53. Epub 2004 Nov 23."), widac wyraznie ze mix wegli i bialek jestrozwiazaniem zdecydowanie lepszy niz podanie samych wegli czy samych bialek.

Osobiscie nie widzę sensu rodzielania porcji bialka od wegli - skoro zachodzi pewien synergimz pomiedzy nimi jesli podajemyje razem.




Zmieniony przez - faftaq w dniu 2009-06-18 17:01:41

Zgadza sie panowie
Ale tu chodzi o wyjatkowosc produktu takim jakim jest vitargo Gdyby autor tematu zapytal o mixa carbo z proteina to nie byloby zadnego gdybania ale christian jasno stwierdzil ze w momencie dodania czegos do tej "najdrozszej skrobii na swiecie" to traci swoje "unikatowe" wlasciwosci wiec dlatego w ten sposob odpowiedzialem autorowi..
Malo tego to osobiscie sam stosuje mix bialek i wegli wlasnie potreningowo aczkolwiek sa to wegle proste(carbo) a vitargo razem z bcaa przed dzwiganiem
pzdr

zalezy o jakie wlasciwosci vitargo chodzi. myślę ze w kontekscie nas interesujacym (odpowiedz anaboliczna), mix wegle + bialko (w tym wypadku vitargo+bialko), jest lepszy niz samo vitargo...